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People are going very easy on Aharon Rabinowitz. That post was so full of horseshit I could smell it before I scrolled to it.

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yeah the AE list went bonkers over this.

 

I can't believe the COW's policies can be so ridiculous, in the long run there will be no members left there!

 

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Tim

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I'm surprised these people are just noticing this. This filter has been in place the last 2 years. I'm the one that got the word "mograph" banned. Which I think is amazingly ironic that an AE forum can't use that word. Maybe they have since made it 'mograph.net'. But in my letter exchange with Ron before I quit talking about "Draconian" ways and "Making money off of other people's time while constricting how they do it" doesn't phase him. He could care less. As long as he has his unending string of noobs asking how to make light rays from text, he's happy.

 

I've gotten quite a few private emails and even a call from some of the leaders asking why I left and admitting they feel the same. Still can't figure out why any of them are still there.

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People are going very easy on Aharon Rabinowitz. That post was so full of horseshit I could smell it before I scrolled to it.

 

Hey Govinda, what post? This thread's got me kind of riled up.

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I put it off to momentary insanity on Aharon's part.

 

I found mograph.net because of a post by...some guy named Todd Fuller? It was on the Cow in early 2003. How ironic, but hardly justification for Ron considering that we're like a gnat next to his 747. For a while I used 'mograph.net' as my signature on the Cow when I answered C4D questions. That ended, as Chris said, about two years ago, about the same time I became unable to log in. I wasn't banned, however, more that Ron didn't like my email registration, which went to a dump email that had the word 'junk' in it. That earned me a stern reply from Ron that had me chuckling at his tendency to take offense at the smallest things.

 

Truly, this isn't a recent event, but what makes it come up now is that the guy at General Specialist was banned for something he posted on his own blog. That crossed yet another line, not even the most important one but a shocking one in itself, and one that set the stage for the pent up waving-handbags-with-intent we're seeing now.

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Long before there was a DMN or CreativeCow there was a thing called the "CoSA Cafe" on AOL. As far as I'm concerned, that place set the bar for all video related online communities. The Meyers, Tim Sassoon, Brian Maffitt, and many others openly shared what they knew about CoSA After Effects as well as film and video technical info, etc. It was a very definite break from what had been the norm in the broadcast design industry. Previously, people were very guarded and went to extremes to make sure no one else would learn their techniques. For someone like me, who was just getting into the field, the CoSA cafe was a dream come true. It made such and impact on me, that I wanted to go out and help others who were just starting. That's what pisses me off in respect to the Cow. They've warped that spirit for their own profit. They think they can exploit these people who want to help (mods or experienced members) by pimping their knowledge for their own profit. If the mods who are still there don't see what it happening, I feel sorry for them. I also wonder how long it will take the advertisers to see the negative effect all this is having. Hopefully it will bring an end to that crap.

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Long before there was a DMN or CreativeCow there was a thing called the "CoSA Cafe" on AOL. As far as I'm concerned, that place set the bar for all video related online communities. The Meyers, Tim Sassoon, Brian Maffitt, and many others openly shared what they knew about CoSA After Effects as well as film and video technical info, etc. It was a very definite break from what had been the norm in the broadcast design industry. Previously, people were very guarded and went to extremes to make sure no one else would learn their techniques. For someone like me, who was just getting into the field, the CoSA cafe was a dream come true. It made such and impact on me, that I wanted to go out and help others who were just starting. That's what pisses me off in respect to the Cow. They've warped that spirit for their own profit. They think they can exploit these people who want to help (mods or experienced members) by pimping their knowledge for their own profit. If the mods who are still there don't see what it happening, I feel sorry for them. I also wonder how long it will take the advertisers to see the negative effect all this is having. Hopefully it will bring an end to that crap.

 

Perfectly said.

 

I'm all for free enterprise, and The Cow is able to do as they wish with what belongs to them. What I hate is the implication that goes with the word "community". The current state of the Cow pollutes the word. I'm only speaking for myself, but I would expect that to most of us "community" means we all have a stake in something.

 

The Cow's a business, and they're allowed to conduct it in whatever way they see fit. I just don't have to shop there. And since I feel like they've got no problem prostituting the good intentions of people I respect, I feel that those of us who see it that way should feel free to say so wherever we please.

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What I hate is the implication that goes with the word "community". The current state of the Cow pollutes the word.

 

In defense of the Cow they are what they call a "COWmunity" which to paraphrase Wikipedia means "A swift hoof in the balls".

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OMG, CoSA Cafe. That brings me back.

 

I agree with Sao Bento's sentiment. Truly creative peers will share most, if not all, of their techniques because ultimately, they still have their eye and artistry that makes each of us/them unique. For the most part, tips have always been to save time or processing power. We know what we want it to look like, we just want to know how to do it faster/easier.

 

I never went to "the Cow" much, the answers and discussion felt a little abrasive and condescending at times. i always find advertising heavy "discussion" sites that lack real insight a bit sketchy. Many of these sites (and even books) seem to just literally copy and paste the software's manual/tutorials (wtf?) and passing it off as real content. It's one thing to thrash a newb for not RTFM (who doesn't like doing that from time to time), but to profit from their traffic seems off.

 

CoSA, I am frackin old.

 

and i'm done babbling.

 

 

 

Long before there was a DMN or CreativeCow there was a thing called the "CoSA Cafe" on AOL. As far as I'm concerned, that place set the bar for all video related online communities. The Meyers, Tim Sassoon, Brian Maffitt, and many others openly shared what they knew about CoSA After Effects as well as film and video technical info, etc. It was a very definite break from what had been the norm in the broadcast design industry. Previously, people were very guarded and went to extremes to make sure no one else would learn their techniques. For someone like me, who was just getting into the field, the CoSA cafe was a dream come true. It made such and impact on me, that I wanted to go out and help others who were just starting. That's what pisses me off in respect to the Cow. They've warped that spirit for their own profit. They think they can exploit these people who want to help (mods or experienced members) by pimping their knowledge for their own profit. If the mods who are still there don't see what it happening, I feel sorry for them. I also wonder how long it will take the advertisers to see the negative effect all this is having. Hopefully it will bring an end to that crap.

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HA! I had no idea what you looked like Chris! You definitely win for "Most Brooding".

I bet they cropped you just above a Pixies shirt.

 

:D

 

-m

 

I can out-brood the best of them. Actually I was trying to conceal my Taco Bell fueled double chin ;)

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HA! I had no idea what you looked like Chris! You definitely win for "Most Brooding".

I bet they cropped you just above a Pixies shirt.

 

:D

 

-m

I dunno, Matt Silverman is doing his best gangsta mad dog on there.

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I dunno, Matt Silverman is doing his best gangsta mad dog on there.

 

Speaking of which has there been a thread were frequenters here posted pics of themselves? I'd would be curious to attach a few faces with names.

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