lemar 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 I saw this reel by these guys, and i was amazed. Any ideas how the could be using clone like tools, and been Photoshopising video? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Omoss 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Any ideas how the could be using clone like tools, and been Photoshopising video? You can open video files in Photoshop CS3 and paint directly onto frames with any tools you want. I think whats going on in that video is a creative mix of animated masks, blurring, and photoshop painting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lemar 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 yeah, but we are talking moving image here. how can frame by frame be seamless if u paint it like that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RustyAce 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 so get your first frame exactly the way you want it, copy and paste to the next frame and continue to warp/blend from frame to frame. finally add frame blending in ae or the equivalent in what ever compositing program you are using. just a guess but it would still be a lot of work no matter what Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Omoss 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 (edited) I think most of that is done without any painting. Try opening up a video clip of a face in After Effects. Duplicate the video layer and apply a Smart Blur effect. Then draw a Rotobezier mask around the interior of the face and feather it. Heres an rough example I made really quick but you can see what I mean. Retouch Test - Before Retouch Test - After Edited October 14, 2008 by Albert Omoss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C.Smith 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 (edited) I think most of that is done without any painting. Try opening up a video clip of a face in After Effects. Duplicate the video layer and apply a Smart Blur effect. Then draw a Rotobezier mask around the interior of the face and feather it. Heres an rough example I made really quick but you can see what I mean. Retouch Test - Before Retouch Test - After I never noticed the smart blur existed. But I bet they go one step further and do a lot of grabbing colors by skin tone over rotoing. For example create a matte by making a rough key by skin color. Then whithin that matte do a smart blur-like effect. For major blemeshes or spots on something I'm always had my own technique: Copy the layer. On the duplicate layer, track the spot. Apply that track to a new layer. On that new layer create a small round circle mask a little bigger than the blemish. Back on the duplicate layer. Blur or Median the hell out of it so the blemish(or spot) gets washed over by the surrounding color. Then set that blurred layer's alpha track matte to the circle layer above it. So now you should see a blurred (or medianed) circle over the original spot. Now for the best part. Set the transfer mode to "lighten" (assuming the spot is darker than the skin around it. So in effect, ONLY the dark pixels of the blemish are replaced with the lighter pixels of the skin. Get it right and it seems like magic. No painting or cloning and it comes out flawlwss everytime as long as there is enough diffence in luminance for the LIGHTEN transfer mode to work. Edited May 20, 2008 by C.Smith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RustyAce 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 i like your guess better then mine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamunoz 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 hehe... cool stuff! I actually liked the "BEFORE" look better on some of the rappers. They look like that had it rough, adds to their bad image. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ejunyor 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 I believe Andrew Kramer - explains this in one of his first tutorials... http://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials.html?id=53 although if you notice some of what was done was a little bit of weight loss as well "around the waist" which may be a little more indepth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff McBride 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Yeah I noticed the weight loss deal too- it would be nice to see a longer clip but it kinda looked like it was just a distort effect combined with motion tracking as necessary. They didn't seem too worried about the background shifting- for the frontal shots it was most likely something along Chris' suggestion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ynaka 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 The folks over at Lola VFX say they are specialists in Digital Cosmetic Enhancements. They did the scene where Xavier and Magneto are young in "X-men The last Stand". I remember reading an article that claimed they didn't do any frame by frame retouching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ejunyor 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 The folks over at Lola VFX say they are specialists in Digital Cosmetic Enhancements. They did the scene where Xavier and Magneto are young in "X-men The last Stand".I remember reading an article that claimed they didn't do any frame by frame retouching. hmm... interesting more advanced roto work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pamunoz 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 Yeah I noticed the weight loss deal too- it would be nice to see a longer clip but it kinda looked like it was just a distort effect combined with motion tracking as necessary. They didn't seem too worried about the background shifting- I agree.... it would be nice to see something longer. Maybe they applied the distort effect like you said, but when they switch back and forth then you really notice the background distorting. I wonder if people would notice that as the motion tracking follows the subject. I thnk they did a combination of the distort effect and some sort of cloning or masking to keep the background distortion free. Anybody have a link to any of the music videos w/ the digital lipo jobs? That would be really interesting to check out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cedar 0 Report post Posted May 20, 2008 The big difference between the Lola work and Bill Pollock's work seems to be in the skin texture. http://www.fxguide.com/modules.php?name=Ne...cle&sid=357 look at the hirez stills. Everyone still has skin pores. Bill's excellent work seems to be more about smart blurs, CC and mattes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyscott 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 i feel bad to whoever had to retouch fergie! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a2visual 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 The folks over at Lola VFX say they are specialists in Digital Cosmetic Enhancements. They did the scene where Xavier and Magneto are young in "X-men The last Stand".I remember reading an article that claimed they didn't do any frame by frame retouching. FX Guide did a podcast on their "extreme makeover" for X-Men 3. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ratbaggy 1 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 nice one a2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 I (the luddite) wonder how much it costs to remove blemishes on 60 secs of close ups compared to hiring a good make-up artist for 350 quid to do it '4 real'? Maybe if make-up artists could get their hands on a lipo needle and pump they could make some beer money on set, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C.Smith 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 I (the luddite) wonder how much it costs to remove blemishes on 60 secs of close ups compared to hiring a good make-up artist for 350 quid to do it '4 real'? Maybe if make-up artists could get their hands on a lipo needle and pump they could make some beer money on set, too. Considering that hair and makeup are standard on all shoots, this is no doubt additional work. Just like print shoots. They are wearing make-up by fantastic make-up artists yet there is still hours of retouching being done. If you put on the amount of makeup needed to hide that much detail on your face it would look cakey and clown-like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misanthrope. 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 48minutes to load the reel so far... at 87%. i sure hope this is good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antoine 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 48minutes to load the reel so far... at 87%. i sure hope this is good Yeah I know we're 2008 we all got broadband but sheez this is way too long! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff McBride 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 48minutes to load the reel so far... at 87%. i sure hope this is good Well when your AOL trial runs out you should look into broadband. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djkorova 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2008 i was thinking Britney Spears looked pretty thin in that video, compared to how she looked in the infamous performance at the VMA's... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
igorschmigor 2 Report post Posted May 22, 2008 I like their choice of music. "So fresh and so clean ..." As if the song had been written just for their reel. After watching this reel I really feel like watching some cheap, dirty, honest video with natural looking people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Null Object 0 Report post Posted May 23, 2008 When the government puts chips in our heads, I hope there is some sort of smart blur process included in it. This might help me come to grips with the busted chicks in Willis, Texas. As for the work, I can't imagine how they sucked in the waste of the rap video girls while dancing so convincingly. I guess that has to be done frame by frame. So fresh and so clean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites