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Yesterday as I worked at home, three blocks from me, an old guy minding his autoshop catches some graffiti taggers in the act around the side wall of his business. One of the taggers pulls a gun and shoots him in the chest.

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ta...0,3870193.story

 

This was the fourth shooting of this kind since I've lived here, the second by taggers I think. Hmm, whaddaya think? I'll just throw this out there as a question. Does the immense cultural importance of self-expression through graffiti writing still outweigh property rights and, dare I say it, the life of the person who owns the property? Because I like the people in my neighborhood. I walk my hood every single day and chat with people like the guy who got shot. Yeah, don't mind me, I'm getting all soft here, imagining that his health was more important than some 20-year-old's right to paint the side wall of his auto repair shop. What was I thinking?

 

I'm painting myself here, with a broad brush rather than a spray can. Shame on me.

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Sure these dudes weren't just gangbangers marking their turf? I've got loads of mates in the UK street art scene and though some are rough, they ain't scrappers.

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Yesterday as I worked at home, three blocks from me, an old guy minding his autoshop catches some graffiti taggers in the act around the side wall of his business. One of the taggers pulls a gun and shoots him in the chest.

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ta...0,3870193.story

 

This was the fourth shooting of this kind since I've lived here, the second by taggers I think. Hmm, whaddaya think? I'll just throw this out there as a question. Does the immense cultural importance of self-expression through graffiti writing still outweigh property rights and, dare I say it, the life of the person who owns the property? Because I like the people in my neighborhood. I walk my hood every single day and chat with people like the guy who got shot. Yeah, don't mind me, I'm getting all soft here, imagining that his health was more important than some 20-year-old's right to paint the side wall of his auto repair shop. What was I thinking?

 

I'm painting myself here, with a broad brush rather than a spray can. Shame on me.

 

They were gang bangers or wannabees with a loaded gun. Sad. :mellow:

It's expected near Hollywood & Normandie. If you go up Normandie, it's a gang infested neighborhood (MS).

 

But I understand your points. I mean they could've started to run away instead of shooting the guy. However, graffiti has always been associated with violence.

Edited by Havok.Dzn

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I've always been a bit afraid to say this on this forum, since there seem to be alot of people who love graffiti here. But I have never liked graffiti. I can respect the creativity involved and the imagination of the artists, but I can't get behind the idea you need to spray paint on stuff that doesn't belong to you.

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I interviewed a gang specialist from the Phoenix area for a meth awareness video I was doing two years ago, the guy is an encyclopedia. He said that the major gangs have come to operate their drug business like Fortune 500 companies, and many have come to regard tagging as "beneath them." They actually, for lack of a better term, often "subcontract" to the taggers. He also said it's easy for the task force guys to track gangs and taggers based upon the artwork. Too bad that hasn't helped eradicate the gang problem.

 

Cf

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I've known a lot of graffiti artists and I've never known one to carry a gun.

Could it be Govinda that perhaps you're taking one social issue and confusing it for another? It's a pretty well known fact that graffiti that comes from gangs and the graffiti that comes from europe (your swoopy 3D kind that have inspired mograph) have about as much in common as straight edge skinheads and rascist ones (they're both bald... and that's about it).

 

That guy could have just as easily been pissing on the side of building and the same result would have happened. It's really about disrespect. Take away the spraycan and the disrespect is still there... so what/who do we blame now?

 

All the same, I can sympathize with what you're trying to say and I'm sorry it happened to one of your neighbors.

 

:(

 

-m

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I'm sure not all graffiti artist are gun shooters.....but most of them agree to painting art on property that does not belong to them. Why is that?...I appreciate art, including graffiti but the owner of the wall must be in agreement, or is just plain f**kin rude...it's forcing people to having something they may not want.

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I'm sure not all graffiti artist are gun shooters.....but most of them agree to painting art on property that does not belong to them. Why is that?...I appreciate art, including graffiti but the owner of the wall must be in agreement, or is just plain f**kin rude...it's forcing people to having something they may not want.

 

They're "fighting the system", don't you know? ;)

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My parents business had its walls vandalized by graffiti many times. Its frustrating when you own something, and you put hard work into it, only to see it degraded by teenage-wanna-be's. One day after work I went outside and covered the wall with a fresh coat of paint. A few minutes later...as I was cleaning up the shop a group of teens came around and pointed at the fresh paint. (In broad daylight, on a busy street) They bent down and started to write some new stuff with a sharpy. I busted out of the store with my can of paint that was sitting beside me....They looked up....with an "oh shit" look...Unfortunately I missed.

 

I yelled at them to take some "f*kn" art lessons, and then called the cops. Im not sure if they found them, at least I scared the crap out of them.

 

This all happened when I was about 18 (I felt like an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn)...I love looking at good graffiti-style stuff (depthcore.com) but after that my opinion is slightly skewed. When something happens to you, it changes your opinion.

Edited by supaidaaman

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damn. I'm not that far away from there, actually. Almost rented on Normandie, but it didn't really feel right. I had no idea there are gang issuses there. How naive am I? It does go from nice (Franklin) to kinda shady (Hollywood) pretty quick.

 

I'm sorry to hear that.

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I hate to sound like the old man myself, but graffiti as a collective has been and can be kind of cool. But I feel that a lot of the dudes can't say they are expressing themselves when a LOT of graffiti looks the exact same. But like Monkey say, I may be confusing the origins. And I can tell you after fucking with getting my building done for the last few years that if I caught someone tagging my new walls I would shoot them in the face then have cake.

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there are several facets for me of graffiti, there's the artistic side where people do amazing work for the art of it and thats it, and part of that art is the vandalism some times.

 

then there are the guys who tag...just to tag, like as a kind of expression of who they are.

 

then there are the thugs and gangbangers who tag for "rep" and for street credit that will shoot some one just to get more people

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my thing is if you are doing it for the art, why the hell not get a commission. there are tons of people doing it legitimately for people who want it done. An for the people who do it for tagging or rep sake, I say we go medieval on there ass, and cut there pointer and thumb off when there caught. Sorry for the extremist comment but gangs infuriate me.

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Who the hell cares if it's art. It's about respect. If they don't respect other peoples property, then why should I give a damn about their art?

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