zander 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) So this video contains 3 key things I never see clients do, there must have been some post people running the show 1) A well lit greenscreen, with all the motion they had, it was well done with good shutter angle and a locked off cam 1 shot. 2) Pre planning post. My god they had a concept and they executed it with post in the pre pro process, clearly they tested this. 3) stick with a concept and make it work as simple as possible. This job could have been done with dozens and dozens of layers and editing, or just shoot all 4 (3?) guys on 1 screen at the same time. enjoy. Edited December 1, 2009 by zander Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barry Evans 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Nice video, seen that effect a few times but they did some interesting things with it. Not really MoGraph related but makes me think of the new Vampire Weekend video, just a really simple idea well executed: http://www.vampireweekend.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beckmanvfx 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I'm not sure I like it... let me rephrase that: I like some parts of it, but watching that effect for three plus minutes gets old fast. I see this a lot with "concept" music videos. They latch onto one thing and drill it into the ground. They definitely shot all the guys in separate passes, as the singer is often matted over background effects. Simple yes, but it lacks refinement and doesn't really go anywhere. I think this effect would play perfectly as a :30 spot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beau+++ 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 They definitely shot all the guys in separate passes, as the singer is often matted over background effects. That doesn't sound right to me. He's matted over background effects for the simple reason that he's standing closest to the camera. Since the background effects were physically behind him in the shoot, they stay behind his "trail" during the effect too. Even when objects do pass in front of him (the candy cane things for example) they leave trails behind the singer because he is constantly in the foreground making a new trail overtop the candy cane trail. Everything is definitely in the same pass. You can do effects like this really easily using a simple newsroom-style switcher, and you can watch it live with no post whatsoever. I'm willing to bet these guys did a bunch of one-shot-wonder takes, and found a couple cut points (the jacket part for example near the start), then cut together a few of their favorite takes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mete_shop 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 nah, there's compositing involved here. if it were simply an echo effect, the singer and his bandmates would also be effected. there faces and details of the clothing etc would strobe as well. it's still mostly good greenscreen work but it's not as simple as shooting it and calling it a day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beau+++ 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 nah, there's compositing involved here. if it were simply an echo effect, the singer and his bandmates would also be effected. there faces and details of the clothing etc would strobe as well. it's still mostly good greenscreen work but it's not as simple as shooting it and calling it a day. Echo with the original keyed image overtop, no? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beckmanvfx 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I suppose you could do it in a single pass (in terms of actors on the screen at any one time -just add trails effect and recomposite original footage over the top), but I'd never want to limit my post-options by doing it that way. -personal preference. In any case, after about 15 seconds it's like "ok, what else have you got?". -do people watch music videos anymore? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boy.finley 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 -do people watch music videos anymore? Not really, which is why low budget, single concept, youtube friendly spots like this are the best way to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stpetersburg 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Making of: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planetfour 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Echo with the original keyed image overtop, no? appears so! I thought so, because even when things pass in front of people, they're immediately replaced by images where the subjects are not obscured. Simple and successful video concept, but it does indeed sort of play itself out early. I'm trying to find that classic example where the one guy basically does all this backwards and "erases" all his echos as its very similar, but my google-fu is failing me at the moment. Edited December 1, 2009 by planetfour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mousel 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Not really, which is why low budget, single concept, youtube friendly spots like this are the best way to go. I hope you're wrong. I've noticed recently that the budgets are pretty slim for all but the biggest names, but I'd hate to think things are getting to a point where there's only marginal interest in them. Music videos are great fun to execute, in my limited experience. There's typically more room creatively than say the :30 commercial format and they're usually around 3 minutes in length, congruent with a short film (which are fun too). I worked on a White Rabbits video back in April and, while not a mograph piece whatsoever, it was fun to shoot and creatively satisfying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beau+++ 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 appears so! BOOM! Where do I claim my prize? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthonyc 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 hey look they finally got to use those streamers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nog 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I'm trying to find that classic example where the one guy basically does all this backwards and "erases" all his echos as its very similar, but my google-fu is failing me at the moment. http://oliverlaric.com/airconditionvideo.htm From the comments on the motionographer post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planetfour 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 http://oliverlaric.c...ditionvideo.htm From the comments on the motionographer post. bingo! You and Beau can claim your prize internets at your nearest lolcat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zander 0 Report post Posted December 2, 2009 BOOM! Where do I claim my prize? You can claim it right after I get mine for stating that originally it's a 1 take. It was obviously so, and in a fit of internet celebration, any one who thought otherwise is dumb, I am right, fuck you winner #1 etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites