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What this forum needs is a topic & poll on the ongoing football world cup! (The poll function only offers twenty choices - i hope i didn´t leave out one of your favourites.)

 

For the north americans mograph fellows: the rest of the world actually calls it football - not soccer :o

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Till today only Argentina and Germany seemed to play really convincing, England was a bit disapointing and i think the Netherlands can do much better than in their first match today. I´m eager to see how Spain and Brazil will perform during their first round.

 

edit: a nice blog on the world cup and football tactics

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overacting players who writhe around on the ground like they're in so much pain and shitty refs ruined my momentary interest in these games ::yawn::

 

Indeed, nine yellow cards and one red in todays match Switzerland vs. Chile and none for the two brutal fouls against Brazil yesterday - that seems a bit "unbalanced" to me...

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overacting players who writhe around on the ground like they're in so much pain and shitty refs ruined my momentary interest in these games ::yawn::

 

Definitely. I started out with a lot of enthusiasm, but I've never seen so much diving...not even in the NBA. It's hard to stomach a bunch of grown men acting like babies for a free kick.

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It's hard to stomach a bunch of grown men acting like babies for a free kick.

 

What's going on with the french team is pretty ridiculous as well. Between that and the diving it's hard to beleive these are professional athletes sometimes.

 

I can still get into the soccer world cup but I'm saving my real enthusiasm for next years Rugby world cup, I think there might be a bit less diving in that one :D

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This could be solved with video replay. If a player gets caught pulling an oscar winning injury performance: instant ejection MLB style.

 

I think they need to do something along those lines. At that level players are going to try and get any edge they can, including playing the ref. There needs to be some kind of dicincentive for the players to stop trying that kind of B.S.

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The new rule that gives a yellow card for diving seems good. I'm German, and when I saw 2 German players get carded for diving in the first game I thought "Fair enough. It's sucks it's against my team, but I like that they're doing something against it this year." I think that's a good way to deter players from diving. But since that game, I haven't seen any yellow cards given for diving, and I've seen a lot of blatant dives. Especially from Italy. The rule is a good one, but it's not going to work if they don't enforce it. Players will continue to do it as long as the rewards outweigh the risks.

 

I'm against the idea of instant replay in soccer. I love that the action doesn't stop and part of the fun of watching the world cup is all the drama around calls. I see the benefit to instant replay, but it's a slippery slope that ultimately leads to the game being drawn out and made to be more boring.

 

Not having instant replay also teaches an important lesson for people watching. LIFE ISN'T FAIR. Sometimes you catch a break. Other times you get hosed. That's life. Don't cry about it. And don't expect a ref to be sitting there making sure everything is fair all the time. The best thing you can do is to prepare better next time and work harder next time, so that hopefully you're not at the mercy of breaks that can go either way. American sports have been hurt by this obsession with getting calls right. People rely on everything being fair. It's a cop out to say you lost a game because of a bad call. Notice the USA fans that cry about the bad call that cost them a goal and thus, the game. Here's a different perspective. Had they not played like crap the first half, and gone down by 2, they would have won, regardless of that bad call.

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And don't expect a ref to be sitting there making sure everything is fair all the time.

 

I think this makes sense when a ref misses a call. I agree, it happens sometimes and sucks, and you can't expect them to catch everything, but as you pointed out, there's no risk when you take a dive. The refs don't call you on it, and often times they buy it and card your victim. It's the opposite of missing a call. It's inventing a call.

 

Even if they don't add replay, there's just something about a ref that will throw up a card for something he *didn't* see that makes the game really hard to enjoy.

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Notice the USA fans that cry about the bad call that cost them a goal and thus, the game. Here's a different perspective. Had they not played like crap the first half, and gone down by 2, they would have won, regardless of that bad call.

 

Ugh, I'm so sick of that argument, they played a bad half so they didn't deserve to win. You don't get credit for winning a half, you get credit for winning the game. The US dominated the second half, scored the game-winning goal and had it stolen by the ref. That's not crying, that's a fact.

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Gee, and I thought they really toned it down quite a bit for the World Cup. I've definitely seen much more blatant flopping in the euro leagues. The bad part is that kids learn from that - In my son's under 6 games there were kids flopping and faking like that.

 

Definitely. I started out with a lot of enthusiasm, but I've never seen so much diving...not even in the NBA. It's hard to stomach a bunch of grown men acting like babies for a free kick.

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Who vs. Cares

 

*cough*

 

My fellow Americans make me sick. We used to stand for something. We used to be sooo super-powerful that we were the only egos on the planet that would turn a blind eye to the World Cup. And look at you assholes know... rushing out to pubs to catch the latest 0-0 game. You're a disgrace to everything we haven't worked for! Socialists!

 

-m

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Wich countries do they come from again, those swan diving pussies? Ah yes, i see.

 

The Dutch only had Arjen Robben doing this but even he has stopped earning Golden Globe nominations for best performance on grass.

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I see no-one has mentioned England's piss-poor performance. I suppose that's a good thing. I doubt I can muster the enthusiasm to watch tomorrow's match on TV when there's so much work to do. No obvious dives from Our Boys yet but I'd take a bit more theatrics if it meant the team played with even a quarter of the skill that Spain/Argentina/Brazil/Germany have.

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I see no-one has mentioned England's piss-poor performance. I suppose that's a good thing. I doubt I can muster the enthusiasm to watch tomorrow's match on TV when there's so much work to do. No obvious dives from Our Boys yet but I'd take a bit more theatrics if it meant the team played with even a quarter of the skill that Spain/Argentina/Brazil/Germany have.

It seems strange that the superior performance of Englands Premier League clubs doesn´t seem to influence their national team at all. The whole "high balls towards the box" game they are playing, looks like a nineties backflash most of the time.

But the other european sides didn´t play that well either: Spain is only but a shadow of the undefeatable Euro winner we´ve seen two years ago, Germany played nice but failed to score the important goals in their second match and the Netherlands won but didn´t really convince yet (at least they played quite effective - looks a bit like they exchanged philosophies with the Germans...).

 

At the moment it looks like Brazil and Argentina are most likely to make it to the final.

 

 

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This could be solved with video replay. If a player gets caught pulling an oscar winning injury performance: instant ejection MLB style.

That won't happen. First it would cause to many breaks and destroy the games flow - can't compare it to baseball or american football, where you have breaks every 30 or so seconds anyway.

Second it would lead to even more discussions with players and coaches, cause they would want a replay for every minor tackling.

Third: how should it be handled in lower leagues, small tournaments, third world countrys and on amateur level? There are Cameras on most international and major league matches for sure but not every second or third division game is being broadcastet.

 

 

I think football is a simple game and it should be kept simple because this way everybody, everywhere on the planet, can play with the same rules.

 

But the FIFA should rethink the way referees are selected for the world cup. At the moment, refs are chosen 3 years ahead of the tournament and there doesn't seem to be anyone monitoring their performance from that time on. This way a ref can turn to beeing notoriously misjudging for three years but no one's going to stop him from leading a worldcup match. Ridiculous but true!

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That won't happen. First it would cause to many breaks and destroy the games flow - can't compare it baseball or american football, where you have breaks every 30 or so seconds.

Second it would lead to even more discussions with players and coaches, cause they would want a replay for every minor tackling.

Third: how should it be handled in lower leagues, small tournaments, third world countrys and on amateur level? There are Cameras on most international and major league matches for sure but not every second or third division game is being broadcastet.

 

 

I think football is a simple game and it should be kept simple because this way everybody, everywhere on the planet, can play with the same rules.

 

 

 

Replay is usually sort of limited in American Football. Refs have a little bit more freedom with how much they use it, but Coaches are usually limited to one or two challenges. If you look at how replay is used in American football you will also see that there is no replay in the levels below College. If there isn't money for it…then don't use it…after all these games have been and are played without it. When a sport has a bunch of money associated with it…that's usually when this issue comes about. But, replay doesn't always quiet down the angry fans. I'm a big fan of American college football and there were quite a few controversial plays despite having replays. There will always be controversy. I'm not sure if football needs replay.

 

I am a proponent of baseball style ejections though. I recently saw Ozzie Guillén thrown out at a Yankees game and I was a little disappointed. It wasn't as exciting in person. I guess…because I had no idea why he was being thrown out and I couldn't hear any of the yelling. Maybe the MLB needs to look into enhancing these disputes in the Stadium--pyrotechnics,props,and costumes.

 

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