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The price is very attractive, but once you've bought lenses, mounts, handles, external audio equipment etc you might as well have bought an AF101. I'm sure it makes pretty pictures though!

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Seems too good to be true. I feel like there must be a catch. Yes there are additional costs but it accepts Canon and Zeiss lenses. And if a lot of the accessories you need monitors, rails etc. aren't camera specific it's still at a ridiculously low price point especially bundled with resolve. If the image quality is there and it records prores and RAW as advertised seems like an easy purchase at that price.

 

If this is a quality camera and blackmagic doesn't go bankrupt in the process of producing these it's an order of magnitude lower barrier to entry to digital cinema than the REDs or C300.

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I don't know what the price is, but I stood behind people yesterday playing with the demo cams and it looks like it would be a good replacement for anyone who normally uses DSLR. The cam is shaped simply like a small box with a nice "big" monitor on the back. Just like almost all BM products it looks like they really took some great technology you would expect to cost a lot more and made it into a very usable product. Like if it's below a few grand I would make that my official Home Movie camera over the 5D I use now.

 

-- Oh, well I just bothered to actually look at the BM link. 3k is about right. I think for that price they did something great. Also 13 stops is quite impressive for something that cheap. The Epic only has like 12 stops. Although the new Dragon sensor claims to have 15 stops. But I wonder if that's a true 15 stops. The red guys are so full of hype and hyperbole, I never know where the truth lies. Except a RED is still is stuck looking like a RED. This camera looks like it may have a chance to look better (relative to the glass).

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If you already have some lenses and primarily shoot video, it's a way more attractive option than buying a 5D MkIII. The limitations are mostly around resolution and frame rate. I would have loved to see them do something like 720p@120fps/ProRes. The upside to it being very simple hardware is that they probably have a lot of options based on updating the software. I definitely plan on renting one to mess around with as soon as it becomes available.

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To me the biggest limitation is the PRICY SSD media the thing records to and a battery you can't change. Yes it's sexy as hell that you can get footage that nice out of a camera body comparably priced to a 5dMk3 but the cost of peripherals on this thing look like they'd add up fairly quickly. Kinda the same way that a $17k RED ONE was more like $17K + $30 in kit

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The battery is the only boner on this thing. Im sure you could get an Anton Bauer setup and run the thing for days, but I imagine that after a month or some someone is going to come out with a cheaper alternative to powering this thing.

 

I'm also wondering about rolling shutter, is it bad and no one is talking about it or is it very slight and thus a non issue.

 

I must admit, that gear head inside me is really stoked for this camera. pretty high dynamic range takes canon lenses and comes with a full version of resolve. sure its no alexa or film, but for 3k for a body that I already have a ton of accessories for I'm giddy.

 

 

@ foughtthelaw I read a bit of reasoning behind the SSD route was price. To get the speed needed to record cinemaDNG files it was SSD or SxS cards. CF and SD cards just aren't fast enough to record that much data at a time. SSD's were cheaper per GB than SxS cards so they went that way.

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BMD has posted RAW DNG files from the camera & more info here: http://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15

 

Direct file links:

 

http://video.blackma....com/Shot_1.zip

ISO 800. 24 FPS 172.8 Deg shutter. 5600K. 85mm @ Zeiss Compact Prime T2.1. Schneider sapphire ND 6.

 

http://video.blackma....com/Shot_2.zip

ISO 800. 24 FPS 172.8 Deg shutter 5600K 35mm Zeiss Compact Prime @ T2.1 Schneider Sapphire ND 6

 

http://video.blackma....com/Shot_3.zip

ISO 800. 24 FPS 172.8 Deg shutter. 5600K 50mm Zeiss Compact Prime. T 5.6 2/3

 

http://video.blackma....com/Shot_4.zip

ISO 1600. 24 FPS 172.8 Deg Shutter. 5600K. 50mm EF Canon "L" @ F1.4

 

http://video.blackma....com/Shot_5.zip

ISO 1600 24 FPS, 172.8 Deg Shutter. 5600K. 50mm EF Canon "L" @ F1.4

 

DP's edit/grade:

http://vimeo.com/47933090

Edited by mario5

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Pulled a couple of these into resolve the other day, pretty impressive what you can do with it. My only real complaint is that some of the footage is over exposed, which seems strange. Also the new resolve 9 beta is nice as well. Complete overhaul on the UI. Really easy to use and nice to look at. BMD is upping their game.

 

 

I just watched side by side earlier today. interesting stuff, a little bit sad watching film die slowly. Most of the people that do the work I admire try to shoot film as much as possible while the guys who insist on digital seem to make more of the meh stuff. Feels like its hinting at a subtle loss of the craftsmanship mentality. I had hoped some day I'd be able to shoot some project on film, not sure if thats realistic anymore.

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Does anyone who has this camera wish it had a viewfinder? I suppose you can get external EVF one / large monitor but for certain types of shooting it would be a big help right?

That's one big thing the the C300 has over it, in addition to better formfactor for hand held etc.

 

Philip Bloom's massive blog post on this and other cameras is hillarious!

http://philipbloom.n...1/19/conundrum/

Edited by DesignbyKai

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BMC camera (early beta)

http://ecx.images-am...41AP2F2RBZL.jpg

 

LOL! Yeah industrial design is funny that way especially with technology. How unique can a cube ever be?

http://philipbloom.net/2012/09/05/bmd/

http://vimeo.com/48956550

Weird camera indeed.. as mentioned earlier in this thread all the accessories = $$$ Especially SSDs if shooting RAW, not to mention the hassle.

 

Definitely a 'cinema'/'film' cameraThe dynamic range is all well and good.. or if you're making a serious film or you could just light properly... Well, you have to anyway because how great can the low light really be (despite some decent tests I've seen).. the sensor is tiny

Edited by DesignbyKai

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