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[govinda]

David Pogue of the NYTimes - http://www.nytimes.c...;pagewanted=all

Walter Mossberg of WSJ - http://ptech.allthin...ier-than-vista/

Edward Baig of USAToday - http://www.usatoday....4-leopard_N.htm

Steven Levy does a video review - http://link.brightco...bctid1260595358

Monkey's favorite—Spaces—goes official.

[the_Monkey]

It's like listening to my Dad review Leopard.
Sounds like it's time for someone to pull out the paddle and get ANGRY with the people.
Who me?

O.k... if you insist.

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Tabbed Chat: That's right we're starting with the powerhouse! Tabbed chats! Awesome! Just what I NEVER needed after Chax came out forever ago.

Google Map Addresses: Too bad you couldn't even copy it as good as the guy how made this possible in Panther for free. Oops.

Dashboard: Webclips are cool because now I can put porn in my Dashboard. I can't believe you added the Movie Widget as a feature. Shame on you.

Stacks: Stacks is the wrong direction. Spotlight was the right direction. If spotlight were to integrate a secondary indexed list like Launchbar then it would be a million times faster (like Launchbar) and nobody would ever waste their time with stacks.

Coverflow: Everybody seems tickled pink that they can view their Excel and Word documents in an iTunes format. I think coverflow is lame. I don't use it in iTunes, I don't use it on my iPhone, and I won't be using it in Leopard. It takes the 2D workflow of column view and compresses it into a single linear format. Hey everybody? Remember when we used to use tape storage? Remember why we stopped? Oh yea... because you had to scroll forward and backwards a million times to find anything... and that's kinda... inefficient.

Mail: Finally you can archive your mail. The new Stationary... don't even get me started. ToDos don't belong in mail. RSS feeds don't belong in Mail.

iCal: Better, but still yesterday's calendar. Apple, how can you think so dimensionally in terms of UI for things like Time Machine and then be happy with the same old tired calendar app?

Desktop: Including the reflecting transparent dock and deeper drop shadows under your Desktop improvements is the most discrediting thing you could do. I stopped reading after that.

Finder: I'm sad to say it everyone, but Apple has officially copied Microsoft. The "new" side-bar is the most assbackwards PC-ish solution I have ever seen for the finder. It kept everything that was inefficient about the original sidebar and took it to a whole new level.

Parental Controls: When I was a kid the only parental controls were the 3 adult questions you had to answer to play Sierra's Leisure Suit Larry. Your parental controls are useless. Kids have always been better crackers than parents have been sysadmins.

-m

Edited by the_Monkey, 25 October 2007 - 10:39 PM.

[Fred Camino]

Damn I loved Leisure Suit Larry. All those Sierra games were great. Space Quest IV? Don't me started.

[jan]

Yeah but it has a nice hologram on the cover...

[deedeee]

Everyone is forgetting about the most important feature that we one this forum in particular will be befitting from. All of the media doodads aside, everything is now multi-threaded! And it is completely 64bit. Also we finally have a unified UI design, it seems so weird that it took Apple this long to do that.

[the_Monkey]

...it is completely 64bit.

"Completely" is kind of a tricky word to use after Apple reneged on their promise of 64-bit support for Carbon applications. We will definitely see a delay in 64-bit ready apps because of this.

-m

[govinda]

I can imagine that in a few years, Leopard will seem like a minor upgrade precisely because it wasn't fully 64 bit and because it can't write to ZFS, a disappointment after the rumors from this past spring. Really, in all this stuff, the things that're important are Spaces and the Time Machine, not much. This'll sound odd, but it was more important to me that Pather renewed OS 9's ability to navigate files by typing in the keyboard and Tiger introduced the ability to widen columns in column view. Remember when you couldn't do those basic things?

But it doesn't matter. From a marketing and positioning perspective for Apple, the upgrade is already a big win--those reviews by the opinion-leaders cinched it. The consensus storyline that's winning out is 'Apple releases a new upgrade within 18 months of its previous upgrade, whereas Windows Vista took six frickin' years, costs more than twice as much, loads slowly, bogs down lower-level processors, really exists as a security fix, and did we mention those embarrassing six frickin' years?'

Now note that I'm not saying that I agree with all of that. I've used Vista, and it's definitely a big improvement. I'm summarizing the 'meme' as I see it. When you realize how bad the original OS X was back in 2001 or so, everything since then has been a victory for managed expectations. These marketing things matter, because it provides the foundation for momentum for Apple across product lines--an OS is always important as a flagship. More momentum means more funds in what I see as the company best able to serve the field I'm in.

[deedeee]

"Completely" is kind of a tricky word to use after Apple reneged on their promise of 64-bit support for Carbon applications. We will definitely see a delay in 64-bit ready apps because of this.

-m

I did not know this, I stand corrected.

[Sao_Bento]

I did not know this, I stand corrected.

Yeah, funny how that falls through the cracks.

It's not necessarily a "cool" feature, but Time Machine is probably the greatest advancement in this release (let's just hope it works). The average user never backs up their data because it's impractical. Time Machine will at least introduce the concept of backing up to these folks. Beyond that I think the hope is that Leopard will be a more stable, faster, more polished version of 10.4.

[scott frizzle]

Put me down for more polished and faster too. I'm hoping the supposed Open GL improvements are the real deal, but I've heard that so many times and never noticed any difference that I can't say I'm holding my breath.

[kitkats]

All seems pretty underwhelming to me.

Apple said the pace of OS evolution would have to slow down but I didn't think they meant to keep releasing 'new' versions at the same pace regardless.

On the other hand, the transition to Intel has caused some stability issues, so I'm quite happy for Apple to slow up and allow software developers more time to solidify their applications. Although I'm no programmer so maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation.

[speunfed]

Damn I loved Leisure Suit Larry. All those Sierra games were great. Space Quest IV? Don't me started.

i was big on kings quest myself.... mmmm.

[Duder]

So, anyone gotten their copy of Leopard yet? I'm no loser and can't stand in line for more than 5 minutes let alone a "launch event".

[Duder]

Correction. I am a loser.

[the_Monkey]

You are not a loser. The woman in front of me in line last night was a loser.

I went to Tekserve around 6. There was a line of over 100 people standing in the rain, but it was moving pretty fast and I was inside in about 5-10 min. Needless to say it was packed inside with wet nerds. They had live jazz and party plates filled with cold-cuts and cheese. This woman cuts in front of me in line and asks a whole bunch of general computer questions... "how much RAM do need to" and "do you think I need an external hard drive" and "where did you get the cheese plates". And then she asks if she can have one of the stuffed Leopards that are at the front desk and then for a second one. The guy gives her one and then tells her that they're actually supposed to be given away with Leopard purchases and then... "Would you like to buy a copy of Leopard?" To which she replies, "No, maybe tomorrow."

My dream-self punched her in her throat.
My actual self wedged her aside, got a copy of Leopard and got the hell out.

Anyway... I got it installed last night and got to play with it for maybe 5 mins before I had to run. Some cool things for column viewing types like myself are that Quicklook works the same with the thumbnail previews. Movies can be played right in the thumbnail. Fonts are rendered in the thumbnail. 32-bit HDR files are rendered in the thumbnail (but very slowly). Preview has gotten so much better that I may never use Acrobat again (if I can help it).

Many of my former helper apps don't work or are only in beta stages for Leopard so don't go upgrading if you have real work to do.

-m

Edited by the_Monkey, 27 October 2007 - 01:12 PM.

[govinda]

Tekserve! Watch out for the shark! Wow, they moved to a ground floor space. You know, it was always raining when I went there, and then the elevator was either so slow or so crowded that it was always a wet walk up many flights of stairs.

[deedeee]

Ok anyone try this yet with Maya/C4D/CS3?

[the_Monkey]

Ok anyone try this yet with Maya/C4D/CS3?

I did a clean install of Leopard, C4D 10.5, and AE8 (CS3)... everything runs swell... that's without plugins, but I assume all will be ok.

Old versions of Little Snitch don't work but ObDev has a public beta of v2. I bought the upgrade a couple weeks ago and it's pretty sweet. If you use 1passwd make sure you upgrade to the latest version while you're still in Tiger otherwise you won't be able to access you're old data.

-m

[Duder]

I did a clean install of Leopard, C4D 10.5, and AE8 (CS3)... everything runs swell... that's without plugins, but I assume all will be ok.

Old versions of Little Snitch don't work but ObDev has a public beta of v2. I bought the upgrade a couple weeks ago and it's pretty sweet. If you use 1passwd make sure you upgrade to the latest version while you're still in Tiger otherwise you won't be able to access you're old data.

-m

Clean install is recommended? I was going to upgrade....I have so much shit on my computer, it's going to be a headache to reinstall it...just the FCS2 install took me over 40 minutes with all their DVD's.

[Sao_Bento]

Clean install is recommended? I was going to upgrade....I have so much shit on my computer, it's going to be a headache to reinstall it...just the FCS2 install took me over 40 minutes with all their DVD's.

The standard "upgrade" install seems linked to a BSOD problem some people are experiencing. I've always done the standard upgrade installs in the past with no problems, but this time I'm thinking twice.