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French civil liberties in jeopardy.

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A new bill in France is jeopardizing the liberties of the french people.

According to this bill, the use of e-mail and other internet traffic should be monitored and censored, to avoid illegal use of the medium.

Hosting and service providers are to be held responsible for the misuse of the web.

ISP would be allowed to scan your e-mail for certain keywords, and have them replaced, or cancel the initial e-mail.

The content of webpages are monitored and censored.

 

These measures look like they could be the end of privacy on the web, and are rivalled only by states such as China and Cuba.

 

I seriously hope this bill will get rejected by the Senate, or things look very bad. I sure hope France isn't the 1st of many countries to take these extreme measures.

 

Big Brother is watching you :(:(

a few links:

 

http://www.rsf.fr/article.php3?id_article=9014

 

http://www.ifex.org/en/content/view/full/56104/

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Guest igorschmigor

e-mails being sensored is bad.

But webpages being monitored and censored... is that new? The net has never really been an anarchy place, child porn and Nazi sites were always forbidden and censored, and it's good like that. The relevant question is "what type of content are they censoring?".

 

btw. Big Brother has always been watching us, that brother is called NSA. Them working for Bush and co worries me. Did i mention yet that i don't like Bush?

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Bush, how can you NOT like him.

If you're into flag wielding monkeys that is ;)

 

But seriously, this bill surpasses your regular ISP monitoring. If your site only contains the word mp3, it would be blocked. Same could be possible for other 'rich media' formats.

Content not in-line with government policies would also be banned.

Censorhip is very bad, its the first small step. Before you know it, the total regulation of the internet is a fact.

 

This bill has more consequences then you can possibly imagine. Free opinion was already subject to censorship in some cases in France.

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I have to admit i didn't read the article at first, but now that i did, it doesn't sound quite as bad as you put it. Where did you get the information about websites being blocked just for containing the word mp3? That would be ridiculous, even this thread would already be blocked then. They just said that MP3s in e-mails might be filtered to prevent piracy - at least that's how i understood it.

They say ISPs would become responsible for the content. That doesn't necessarily mean that the laws concerning the content are becoming stricter, it just means that the responsiblities have changed. It used to be the creators of sites that were responsible, now it's the ISPs.

I didn't read anything about the banning of content that is not in-line with the government policies.

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I must admit, i got a bit carried away with the government policy remark, but the bill is so broad, the government can almost interpret it in any way they want.

 

I don't know how good your dutch or french is, here are some more links:

 

http://www.tweakers.net/nieuws/30557

 

http://www.materiel.be/viewnews.php?n=4016#0

 

I'm just worried this is a first step into the incremental destruction of civil liberties, and privacy.

These things are very often taken lightly, and often are subject to regret afterwards, when things are looking bad for the public.

 

Its another of those measures, sought after by the entertainment industry.

Just like the DMCA.

These multi-billion dollar lobbiests have got some serious power to boot.

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i agree with parallax. I think no Government should not be involved at all, on any level, with internet censorship. But all Governments should come to an international agreement regarding internet guidelines and regulations. It's truly a mess right now, especially telecommunications sector.

 

For those who live in the States, one example of government involvement is voter registration information. Unknown to half of Californians and citizens of several other States, the voter registration information (name, phone number, birthday,etc...) can be, and have been sold to telemarketers, private entities, etc....Now, we are talking voter registration, which is directly for political use. Let alone the internet.

 

Internet censorship should be the job of the free market. If enough people complain, internet-related companies will provide consumers with necessary defense-mechanism. Companies that violate the guidelines, however, should be punished. In short, i'm against internet censorship but for punishment by the government.

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i bet it is illegal in most countries. That really sucks.

The US government also uses the NSA for espionage on companies worldwide. I think you call it "economic intelligence".

They do all sorts of stupid stuff:

 

http://cryptome.org/gov-spy-com.htm (haven't read it all yet myself)

http://www.nwfusion.com/news/0720nsa1.html?nf (NSA forces mastercard "to dumb down the Secure Electronic Transaction (SET) credit-card encryption standard")

http://cryptome.org/nsa-sabotage.htm (sabotage by the NSA)

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Guest parallax

Check this out:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

 

I don't want to turn this forum into 'political flamewar central', but this site is setup by governement officials, including Rumsfeld. (it doesn't say on the site though, but believe me, its backed by Bush and co)

 

Some bad coldwar era kind of shit.

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